This is a message threa which appeared on the yahoo groups page which allows all the residents in the estate i live in (RPH) to communicate about the burning issues of the day. i've anonimised the responses except my own ("tom"). it starts at the bottom, with the last posts at the top.
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F, I don't see how it matters what class of drug is being dealt. It's all illegal. As you say, if they don't do it here they'll do it a few streets along so let's make this someone else's problem. This is hardly doing RPH's Trumpton image much good, Dusty Miller indeed...
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Subject: Re: [] Drug dealing
N you have painted quite a picture that clearly no one wants at RPH but just saying that my view is based on the evidence that has been described probably someone is dealing non-intravenous drugs that will never be used at RPH and the drug dealer would go somewhere else if they started getting any sort of attention.
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Subject: Re: [] Drug dealing
Thanks for this, N. I totally agree. I moved from a block in Walworth where there were regularly intravenous drug users on my stairwell: it was horrible. I haven't seen the dealers around RPH, thank goodness, but I'm upset to hear that this is happening. If anyone does see anything untoward going on, why not call the police...? Am I naive in thinking that's a normal, responsible and civilised reaction to the situation?
C
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Subject: Re: [] Drug dealing
I can't understand the amount of tolerance RPH is exhibiting regarding this drugs issue. as someone who moved here from Brixton because of the number of syringes on my doorstep I certainly don't want it here. Where drugs are, crime follows. Having seen drug deals turn nasty I wouldn't wish this on any of my neighbours. The shouting's bad enough when this happens, but next comes the violence. The reason people aren't doing this on the streets is because it is ILLEGAL.
I'm not suggesting we send Elsie [ed: an elderly neighbour] wandering the estate with a baseball bat, but I'm sickened to think that RPH will become in anyway sullied by this behaviour.
And let's not wait until someone gets a needlestick injury and gets Hep C or worse.
And I'm not some anti drug evangelist, what people get upto in the safety of there flats is fine, but as someone who has worked in the drugs field for over a decade, believe me it ain't pretty.
OK, we haven't got any hard evidence, but how long do we wait..... until we have our first toddle with Hep C from a found syringe?
If you think I'm over the top about this, try living in an area where drug deals happen on your doorstep....
N
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On 19 May 2011, at 22:21, F wrote:
Personally I agree with Tom. Provided they aren’t actively milling about which I seriously doubt they are... I wouldn’t say I’m happy they are doing it from RPH but I don’t see that it is a serious issue. If they aren’t doing it here they’ll do it a few streets along.
F
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Subject: RE: [] Drug dealing
Come off it Tom, the one thing which drug dealers have in common, whether they are high class or low class, is that they are all venal scum. We as a community need to deal with this issue promptly and I trust the committee will discuss it at their next meeting.
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Subject: RE: [] Drug dealing
i was excited yesterday to join the ranks of RPHers who have seen drug dealers.... a man and a woman drive in to the cul de sac of garages behind block C, the woman clocks me, speeds away, the guy (on his mobile) makes a big point of stopping, checking his tyres and then politely approaches me to ask about parking the area before driving off. Clearly a ruse, but he was a charming young man. I do like to think that RPH attracts a slightly better class of drug dealer than the heart of Camberwell.
it's testament to the seclusion and quiet of RPH that these drug dealers choose our manor as their place of business.
I am not especially bothered by people meeting in cars to conduct transactions, so long as they don't drive recklessly on the estate. the fact that what they're doing is illegal doesnt in fact make it any more or less antiscoial than people lookign for a place to park on the estate or using it as a place to turn. in retrospect i would perhaps have mentioned to the guy that the neighbourhood watch were keeping an eye out for dealers on the estate, which would probably be enough to scare him off and more effective than contacting the local police who i have always found to be unresponsive and useless.
If there were drug dealers actively milling about, using and selling from the estate, that would be a very different matter. Richard, how obviously were they drug dealing? had they gone as far as laying out the bags and cracking open the works a la Pulp Fiction?
Tom
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Subject: RE: [] Drug dealing
Would it be useful/possible to get brighter lighting, or some other deterrant - prickly bushes ? - in useful dealing etc places ? Perhaps a bit unlikely that police would be close enough to pounce on a 15 min job even if alerted ?
M
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Subject: RE: [] Drug dealing
Thanks R. I wonder if the person has moved from behind near block C, as I watch a male and female go into a dark corner of the car garages behind block C and below car park next to block C about 2 months ago (was about 8:30pm). I only made sure they where aware of being watched from the ground. Took about 15 min to do their 'transaction'; what ever it was. I have been watching for them since to call the police.
C
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Subject: Re: [rphruskin] Drug dealing
That's awful!
I'd report to both (as well as our neighbourhood watch)
N
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Subject:] Drug dealing
I disturbed 3 guys who were obviously drug dealing yesterday. It was in the first doorway of block A behind the rubbish chute coming off Champion Hill. Despite my normal timid nature I went up and pretended to use the door just to disturb them. Should I report this to the community police officer or is it something that Mr. Foster should do? Just makes us all aware of how vigilant we need to be.
R
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Subject: Re: [rphruskin] The kids drawing with chalk
Hi
I am not so worried about the drawings now it has been cleaned up. It concerns me more that residents are made to feel guilty about highlighting something that affects the appearance of the estate. After all we do all pay service charges, and all want to enjoy the garden..
One thing that does concern me however is the increase of drug dealing in the car park on fox on the hill, I think the increased licensing hours has not helped this. If you see it, and want to report it the officers name is Ian Turnbull, Camberwell community policing.
C
